A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

[david_white]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

If it says the origional inner wings must be retained in the car just keep them in the boot

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

inner wings appart its not really feasable to lower the front suspension any more without radically modifying or fabricating a new x member and lower arms, the only sensable way to really lower the car is drop the wheels down to 16 inch, but thats expensive with the cost of new wheels and tyres which incidentallycost £50 a corner more, not to mention it will screw up the gearing

[Retromotorsport]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

The rules say that the inner wheel tubs can only be modified to fit dampers... so fit long dampers and raise the tubs up to allow this ... dont bang your head Graham, i'm on joking

But..... we can go lower ...

[david_white]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

inner wings appart its not really feasable to lower the front suspension any more without radically modifying or fabricating a new x member and lower arms, the only sensable way to really lower the car is drop the wheels down to 16 inch, but thats expensive with the cost of new wheels and tyres which incidentallycost £50 a corner more, not to mention it will screw up the gearing

16s would probably be ideal for the car but as you say the 18s are better tyres and cheaper, plus btcc cars will soon run on that size 18" tyres which should be a good thing in terms of developement and possibly costs coming down a bit.

[stephen bahr]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

how'd you figure btcc on 18's brings the cost down?
besides, touring car rubber would be somewhat too hard would it not?
call it nhy on 300 hp and weighing roughly 1100kg, though i guess if you work the power:weight ratio it could work out...
okay, well maths is done, father, you should be going alot faster, using the cars figures and weight against the touring cars, you have an identical power:weight ratio.
pedal faster

alright, maths is out, 270bhp is what they're meant to be on and at 1100 kg which is under the minimum weight slightly means btcc have a power:weight of 245hp

PEDAL FASTERRRR!!! especially since yours works out at 272hp per ton

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

ok to answer some of that my son,

if touring cars all switch to 18inch rubber than greater supply/demand may bring cost down,
i wouldnt xpect touring car tyres to be A harder compound as they only do one race on a set,

touring car lap times well that mainly about two things, drivers that are one hell of a lot better than me and suspension set ups that are in a different league to mine, touring cars are all about corner speed,

yes i might have the same power to weight ratio, so IF i had ideal gearing and a six speed sequential gearbox i might be able to match one in acceration terms
but down the straights they would still pull away because to pull a decent top speed you need power, having a good power to weight ratio doesnt help much with regards to top speed

[Retromotorsport]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

The top atheletes, the top snooker players, the top drivers ... what do they all have in common?

They all do it 24/7 almost, when they are not training they are thinking, and sleeping is part of the training, they are at the pinnacle of fitness, a finely tuned machine ..

That is why they go so much faster.

Put a touring car driver in a cab, and send him round brands, he would probably beat the cabbie, but put him in London and tell him to get from the east to west.. my money is on teh cabbie, he does it everyday.

The answer to matching a current BTCC drivers times is to be a current BTCC in a current car.

That said ... pedal faster Graham

[mervhill]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

The top atheletes, the top snooker players, the top drivers ... what do they all have in common?

They all do it 24/7 almost, when they are not training they are thinking, and sleeping is part of the training, they are at the pinnacle of fitness, a finely tuned machine ..

That is why they go so much faster.

Put a touring car driver in a cab, and send him round brands, he would probably beat the cabbie, but put him in London and tell him to get from the east to west.. my money is on teh cabbie, he does it everyday.

The answer to matching a current BTCC drivers times is to be a current BTCC in a current car.

That said ... pedal faster Graham

Makes sense Gary, but you may as well have just said "Graham, you suck" joking of course

[Pushrod King]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

call it nhy on 300 hp and weighing roughly 1100kg, though i guess if you work the power:weight ratio it could work out...
okay, well maths is done, father, you should be going alot faster, using the cars figures and weight against the touring cars, you have an identical power:weight ratio.
pedal faster


alright, maths is out, 270bhp is what they're meant to be on and at 1100 kg which is under the minimum weight slightly means btcc have a power:weight of 245hp

PEDAL FASTERRRR!!! especially since yours works out at 272hp per ton

To put this in perspective my car has "just" 194bhp per tonne (with driver) and generally I lap within a second of Grahams' times around Brands hatch indy circuit.

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

with me on board i've only got 246 per tonne to play with

[stephen bahr]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

still, pedal faster.
in regard to the supply/demand, would it not take a few weeks for dunlop to meet the huge demand therefore in a short period of time, the prices of tyres will increase?

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

dont worry dunlop wil be geared up and ready to go, the price will probably be set up front and wont change anyway,

its quite possible they already have the tyres as new control tyre is the same sizes as the seat tyres i currently have

[andypipe]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

208 bhp per ton for me with my fat arse on board

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

and to think i used to have 450 per tonne with me on board

[Tristan]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

a grenading engine....