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    DW's (new?) Sierra 3dr YB race car

    Hi guys and girls, gonna start a new thread here as the sierra we're building is going in such a different direction I think it warrants it. It will run in class D of the DMN with Andy Pipe etc and will be a great deal simpler and cheaper to run than it would have been in class A. Will be a competitive, very reliable package too if we can get it right

    Out came the V6 yesterday and in with a pinto that I have aquired as a dummy engine whilst my excellent new engine builder works on the real one. The dummy engine will enable me to fit all of the ancillaries around it and fully sort the engine bay, that way once the new one is done it will drop in and all be literally plug and play

    The brief spec of the car will be as follows.
    3 door motorsport shell, lightened as much as poss and running cossie suspension with leda coil-overs all round and hi spec monster 6 pots over 330mm discs up front (std cossie rears with race pads).
    Racing dynamics 9x17 wheels with Dunlop btcc rubber.

    Rough spec of the engine is a genuine 2.0 litre bottom end with wossner pistons and cossie rods. Injection head (if we can find one ) with big valves and a proven race profile camshaft.
    Pace dry sump will be fitted for insurance and it looks like I'll probably go the throtttle body route as I already have an injection set up in the car and want to run full management anyway.

    Gearbox will be a tranx type 9 (does anyone know if it fits the cossie prop?)

    Here's the pinto ready to start having the exhaust and ancillaries fitted;









    And a rough idea of the new look of the car, won't have a cossie grill or whale tail, but still have RS500 bumpers and arches. Will all get a little tickle from the painter once we're ready too, but wiil stay white and black

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    In answer to the question re props:The splines are the same but I think the cossie prop's shorter than a type 9 one.

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushrod King View Post
    In answer to the question re props:The splines are the same but I think the cossie prop's shorter than a type 9 one.
    hmmm drill a couple of new holes in the x member and move the engine back perhaps? saves buying a new prop and better for weight distribution

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    hmmm drill a couple of new holes in the x member and move the engine back perhaps? saves buying a new prop and better for weight distribution
    I'll check it in the week while I still have a std type 9 there. If the bellhousing is like the V6 one then you can't go back very far before getting the gearbox out becomes a real problem with minimal clearance to the top of the tunnel.

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    you could fit three pinto's in there dave!!

    good luck with the car anyway....

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by Tezza2 View Post
    you could fit three pinto's in there dave!!

    good luck with the car anyway....
    Cheers Tel, engine bay will soon get filled up though. I have an ashley 3 piece manifold and the longest inlet manifold going in hopefully so space will soon fill up. Also gotta fit a drysump tank up there

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by david_white View Post
    If the bellhousing is like the V6 one then you can't go back very far before getting the gearbox out becomes a real problem with minimal clearance to the top of the tunnel.
    You could go quick release on the bellhousing
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Dave mate, you still struggling to find an injection head? I got mine from Temple Motors in Hertford, might be worth a try there.

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    Dave mate, you still struggling to find an injection head? I got mine from Temple Motors in Hertford, might be worth a try there.
    I am yes, do you have their no.?

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Cheers, will try them tomorrow. If not I'll borrow yours

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    looking forward to this, sounds a nice blend of old and new

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    good luck dave, i reckon itll be excellent once its done
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    How do you tell if its an injection head or not

    I've got one here off an engine I got from a scrappy about 8 years ago, I used the 205 block for my cossie engine and just left the head in the back of the shed
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by GavinR View Post
    How do you tell if its an injection head or not
    Inlet ports are egg shaped on an injection head.

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Yeah, taper slightly to the top of the port Gav. If they're completely round then it's just a standard head.

    Dave, I think you'll find you wont

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    I can collect it for you if you want to buy it,I'm in littlehampton Wednesday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushrod King View Post
    I can collect it for you if you want to buy it,I'm in littlehampton Wednesday
    Cheers for that, will let you know

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    I found that the type 9 I'm fitting is around an inch and a half shorter than the T5 but I want to use the cossie prop.
    I therefore set about moving the engine back the 1.5" to compensate and by happy coincidence the engine sat perfectly up to the bulkhead and the ashley manifold bought from burtons on saturday now 95% fits, which for an ashley manifold, meant for an escort, is feckin amazing

    The engine is all bolted down on its mounts in this position and apart from a couple of small dinks being needed in the manifold to clear the engine mount and the column its all happy. Hopefully the ally bellhousing will have enough space (once I get one) and its all sorted

    I also fitted the cossie rad which sits nice and low and where the std intercooler would go I have put a 13 row oil cooler. The remaining gap will be for induction and blanked off where not needed.
    My kenlow from the zetec install in the escort also fits lovely so all of these bits are now mocked in place. Should be loads of room for a dry sump tank to sit with minimal pipe runs to the pump









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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    is that really what Inj heads fetch

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    its looking good dave

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Looking good indeed mate. If you're after an alloy bellhousing for a MK2 escort mate then R.A.C.E do them new for about 120.

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    it just occured to me you might be able to gain clearance for the steering shaft by knocking the shaft further onto the rack

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by graham bahr View Post
    it just occured to me you might be able to gain clearance for the steering shaft by knocking the shaft further onto the rack
    I think 2 things I am doing will solve it. Firstly I will probably lower the angle of the column anyway as the seat will sit quite low and far back, and secondly even the thickness of a head gasket will make a difference as the manifold is only just touching the column and the head is sitting straight on the block atm.

    I may have to make a little dink in the manifold just to clear the mount on that side though, its a tad tight now and is stopping the lower part of the manifold lining up with both top pieces

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    and secondly even the thickness of a head gasket will make a difference as the manifold is only just touching the column and the head is sitting straight on the block atm.
    sounds good, although there will probably be more than the thickness of a head gasket skimmed off your head and block

    that said a simple washer under the O/S engine mount wil soon offset any problems there
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Inlet ports are egg shaped on an injection head.
    Well I checked tonight and my ports are egg shaped so I've got one here if you're still looking for one - a bit of surface rust but should clean up ok
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    couple questions.

    Whats the diff ratio??

    Are they any off the shelve crown wheel n pinion kits with a 4.4:1 or similar?

    How heavy is your sierra?

    hope i'm not being nosey jus tryin to find out some things.
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    you can buy 4.4:1 CWP's for the sierra diff but they are quite expensive being made for motorsport specifically because ford never made that ratio for the sierra i think the lovwest they made was a 3.9, most had 3.6 diff

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    yeah mines has a 3.6 diff, but it still surprises me on its acceleration and its only a 1600....but i suspect it may have in Type 3 gt box as its a 85 model.

    Mines also weights 980kgs but its a 4door.
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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Right had a sort out of gearboxes today, the old T5 is up for sale so I thought i'd better start sorting out its replacement.

    Its a good ole type 9 and I gave it a bit of a clean up, well a lot actually. It came out of a grasstrack car so it had mud an inch thick that had baked to a near concrete consistancy Any way I got it a bit cleaner and found a 5 year old spray can of engine enamal that once unsiezed did a great job of making it look better.

    Cleaned and painted the strengthened mount too and tomorrow I'll try to get the quaife ally top cover for it. Then its off to the gearbox man for a fresh tranx kit to go in once I've sorted which ratios to get






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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    I've also sourced 99% of the engine internals this week so hopefully the engine build will begin proper very soon


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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Dave mate, unless the Sierra tunnel is a lot bigger than the escort by the box, don't change to an alloy top cover, they foul. Also, the steel ones are better for installing a breather

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    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    Dave mate, unless the Sierra tunnel is a lot bigger than the escort by the box, don't change to an alloy top cover, they foul. Also, the steel ones are better for installing a breather
    Well there's a fair bit of room judging by the size of the T5 that slid out but I've not had trouble fitting those covers before. They add quite a bit of strength to the std casings and are essential if fitting an ally casing (which I'm not btw).

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    That's cool then mate, just I know Matt had a bit of an issue to begin with I believe with it fouling on the tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mervhill View Post
    That's cool then mate, just I know Matt had a bit of an issue to begin with I believe with it fouling on the tunnel.

    I think the sierra tunnel is a lot bigger than an escort and taller, although it will still be quite tight around the bellhousing I think

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    That's only because you have these funny ideas like putting the engine next to you (almost)

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Gotta say a big thank you to Clint for sourcing some important parts for my pintosaurus and even donating a couple of big bits to the cause.

    Will put some pics up tomorrow but thanks also to Gary @ retro for spending half the day today helping me turn a std cossie door into a lightweight masterpiece
    Will be doing the drivers one to match soon, unless I can find a better one without the dents

    Just need to lighten the tailgate a lot now, and still trying to find a fibreglass bonnet

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    Re: DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

    Right, got loads sorted out in the past few days. Got a new set of bells and brackets made so that I could mount my Hi-Spec brakes on the sierra for the first time. Cheers Jeff for quick service as usual

    These are 6 pot monsters, with 335x32 rotors and Mintex 1144 pads. Rears are staying as vented cossie discs with new std pads for now, although one day I might try Hi-specs direct replacement billet caliper which must be half the weight (even the 6 pots on the front weigh f all)



    Also got my alloy bellhousing double quick which along with the quaife top cover means its ready to trial fit before going for its tranx kit.


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    Also got a couple of pics of the lightened door, ready to go for painting. The white one will be the spare as it has lots of golf ball size dents, but look how much metal we took out without weakening the black one The whole lot is swaged and lipped over.
    The new door also has a handle and opening lever incorporated into it which Gary made up






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