A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

[cr500dom]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

to be fair to the guys at T+R after the advise/bo@@cking i got from dunlop after the last time i rolling roaded it i wasnt prepared to half the tyre pressures like the guys wanted to.

Steves Dyno, being single roller doesn`t damage Tyres like a normal twin roller setup, quite safe to go lower pressures to get some heat in the tyres as the dyno is not pinching them, which you get on a twin roller set up.

Thats what does the damage, not the pressures

HTH
Dom

[Graham]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

Steves Dyno, being single roller doesn`t damage Tyres like a normal twin roller setup, quite safe to go lower pressures to get some heat in the tyres as the dyno is not pinching them, which you get on a twin roller set up.

Thats what does the damage, not the pressures

HTH
Dom

i understand that but the tyres were already hot and very sticky and would of gripped by that point if they were ever going to, believe me i checked there temp after steve had smoke pouring off them!

[david_white]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

The old beemer put on a great show Graham, i know there must have been doubters or people expecting it to be more 'eventful' but the car ran faultlessly and sounded awesome. The Steves were impressed too.

Power figures don't matter really, you know the boost etc is spot on, nothing needed adjustment and out on the track it definately isn't lacking in ooomph. Spot on
Just get a proper alternator on it

Plus its inspired me to get on with mine and get loads of bits sorted this week, well we all need a kick up the rs every now and again don't we

[duncan]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

must get out and see this fantastic car in action
graham you are a legend

[Graham]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

must get out and see this fantastic car in action
graham you are a legend

nice of you to say it will be out at silverstone next sat along with my hero andy pipe

[Graham]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

silverstone wasnt a good day, more grip than i've ever had from the front end appeared to lead to oil surge and i ran a big end in practise.

although i've not looked at the engine yet, im strongly considering going back to my roots and fitting an 8 valve atmo 4 pot, playing with near 500bhp cars is fun but mighty expensive, and the racing is actually no where near as good as it is further down the grid,

a 2.0 8v 4pot would drop me in class D with andy pipe, pushrod and alex ribbins but my car is rather lardy for that class, so my thoughts are to bore and stroke that engine to 2.4/2.5 which would make a very torquey lowish reving engine which would give me a fighting chance against the 2.0 16v cars in class C

[4drmatt]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

That's a shame about silverstone

I saw you coming around copse and then pull off the track. Up until then the car seemed to be going well (at least from my point of view)

This was the first time I had been to a DMN race and the diversity of the cars is fantastic. Very entertaining to watch.

[Pushrod King]

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Sorry you had problems Graham (at least you made it to the track) surely after all of the developement work you've done it's worth sticking with the turbo a little longer? I want to see you race against DW.

[Graham]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

I saw you coming around copse and then pull off the track. Up until then the car seemed to be going well (at least from my point of view)

yes it was, with only a couple of laps i was well in touch with my personal best and would of comfortably beaten it.

DMN races are all like that with a huge variety of cars, just about all of them are fiercely competitive, most of them home build too

[Graham]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

Sorry you had problems Graham (at least you made it to the track) surely after all of the developement work you've done it's worth sticking with the turbo a little longer? I want to see you race against DW.

to be honest nick, its so much agroo and cost and im not enjoying the racing enough for me to feel it really worthwhile, i'd rather be in the middle of the pack racing agains loads of other cars rather than just the odd one.

to go much better i really need 4WD, typically rod birley goes out in practise does a few laps and then rechecks the wheel nuts, as i was lined up on the second row along side him i asked him to go out hard, with a view to getting me upto speed quicly as im rusty at that circuit, that and knowing the skylines would be fast he did go out very quick and i certainly went far harder on cold slicks than i normally would, it showed, the back of my car was loose and and i thought a couple of times in the first few laps i would bin it, but rod just steadily pulled away without any dramas and it wasnt power that was doing that, and whilst im stupid enough to home brew a big power turbo im not so stupid enough to try and home brew 4WD

we will see, IF repair is just a case of a bearing swap then i'll stay with the turbo for now, if its a case of a crank grind then yes again i might stay with it, but if its also damaged a rod then a full engine strip is on the cards and i'll cut my losses and comeback with an atmo 8valve,

[Clint]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

Whatever you decide Graham, you have certianly shown a great achievement with this current engine, maybe you should look at 1600 turbo, stil puts you in a good class (or did) and it wont be as on the limit as this one.

Best of luck whatever happens

[duncan]

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bad news graham
i will keep my fingers crossed that its not to serious
i can understand losing the turbo and the aggro though.
you want to go racing not mending after all.
would be fun seeing you door to door with andy though

[GT2200]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

Curse of the expectant spectators!!!! After a 2yr gap i was really looking forward to seeing you racing again.

I was really disappointed to hear of the engine probs when we met up in the paddock, but typically Graham he was philosophical about it all and even had people asking him for spare parts, i half expected Graham to get the spanners out and start tinkering.......to be honest Graham you could have brought the lathe down and reground the crank in the time between races.

As has been said before the racing was really diverse and kids, my friend and i had a great day.......until my little boy (2yrs old car freak) came down with the screaming abdabs and we ended up leaving shortly after the 1hr Historic.


Like most on here i completely in ore of Grahams ability in the garage, he's helped my out with my own toy and i can understand how frustrating it must be for the car to go 'bang' each time it comes out. Going down a class could be a good call; maybe you could build another 02 or possibly something else German....

[Graham]

Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

oh mark you make me blush :

i wont build another car, thats out the equestion money wise,

im slightly between a rock and a hard place but heres my current thinking with regards to dropping down a few classes,

if i build another engine just like my 2002 one, i will have a little over 200bhp, but the draw back of doing that is that despite shedding quite a bit of weight loosing the turbo etc my car will be at least 100kg and more like 150-200 kgs too heavy to be competitive in class D,

so it looks like class C were cars are heavier, as for engine options in class C

i could have a turbo 1600 but thats costly and agian potientially unreliable,

a 2000 16v, which means to be competitive building a short stroke S14 engine and revving the hell out of it, agian costly, potientially very expensive to run and i would need a pukka close ratio gearbox rather than the roadgoing m3 box i use now

or a 2valve engine upto 2500cc, i could use the 6 cylinder from a 325, but i dont have any 6 cylinder bits, its longer than the 4 pot, so the car wont handle so sweetly my gearbox/clutch/flywheel wont fit it, and there isnt an option for a cheap gearbox with close enough ratios.

so its back to the 4 cyl 8v 2002 engine which with basically the same bottom end as the one im using now, bolts straight in, and can be stretched all the way to 2500cc, i'll be lucky to get much more than about 230bhp from it because the heads really going to struggle to keep up with a 2.5 bottom end, but it should give good torque and a wide powerband, that said i do have some demon modifications in mind so i will be aiming for the magic 100bhp per litre

[Dave]

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Onwards and upwards
Looking forward to it Graham.