Fostek's R&D department

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  • FOSSIE
    Pit Crew
    Decade Plus User
    • Oct 2004
    • 1591

    Re: Fostek's R&D department

    Sounds like a bag of spanners!

    It's a big relief now the shift system is playing ball. What a headache that's been. Although it did 'work' straight out the box, it wasn't quite right. It was quick, way quicker than you could achieve by pulling a lever by hand, but clearly something wasn't right. These Sadev units require a relatively high force to move the linkage, not only that but the force ramps up quickly due to high spring rates in the barrel detent mechanism, and cam design. The fact that the mechanism started moving quickly when you fired the air cylinder, but then rapidly slowed down, was occasionally confusing the electronics.

    More force was needed! Fitting a bigger bore cylinder and/or higher operating pressure is easy, but you need to match the solenoid valves to the rest of the system... Finding valves of the right format, quality, flow capacity - importantly - switching speeds was a bit tricky. Most of the paddle shift systems on the market uses solenoid valves which are slow to switch on. Typically 40-50mS. That means when you press the button to demand a shift, nothing happens for the first 40-50mS whilst it waits for the solenoid to turn on the air, then the mechanism starts to move... I want the whole shift to happen in less time than that! Fast switching valves are generally either 24v, or very small (restrictive) or both. Anyway, the valves currently in there have a switching speed of sub 1mS, and although they are theoretically a bit small, the shifts are superb. Quicker than Sadev though possible!

    Anti roll bar is fitted, bit of a guess at what rate is required so I've gone with something at the softer end of the scale. Easy to swap for stiffer tube if required.

    Not sure what's next actually. Probably time to freeze development and get some use out of it!

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    • mjv
      Tyre Kicker
      • Mar 2012
      • 12

      Re: Fostek's R&D department

      Great video of your super slick gear shifts. Awesome sounding little screamer. Any pics of the Anti roll bar ???

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      • Fosworth
        Bodger
        • Jan 2011
        • 108

        Re: Fostek's R&D department

        And some pics of the Anti-roll bar. Its mounted on spherical bearings rather than rubber/Poly bushes to ensure it doesn't bind up.
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        • philipmax
          Tyre Kicker
          • Jan 2006
          • 13

          Re: Fostek's R&D department

          Deadly machine

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          • Nelly
            Mechanic
            • Oct 2007
            • 726

            Re: Fostek's R&D department

            Is that antiroll bar available as a kit?
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            • Fosworth
              Bodger
              • Jan 2011
              • 108

              Re: Fostek's R&D department

              Sorry, its not a kit but is a one off we made for this car. Most of the components on this car are also one offs.

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              • Nelly
                Mechanic
                • Oct 2007
                • 726

                Re: Fostek's R&D department

                I think maybe I'll have to do the same as no one seems to sell a decent roll bar to use on a circuit.
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                • FOSSIE
                  Pit Crew
                  Decade Plus User
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 1591

                  Re: Fostek's R&D department

                  So just to re-cap: back end of last year the engine & box were out whilst we made a few mods to the gearshift system... Didn't get a whole lot of testing done afterwards but enough to prove the mods worked. So the car was tucked up for the winter and we made a start on some new bits ready for this year.

                  The new axle is well under-way. Well actually, this is the "proper" axle which was destined for the car all along - the one that's currently in the car is a bit of a test mule. This one is truly 1-of-a-kind - the casing was done in the final days of Fostek and I'm not sure I could do another one now if I tried, being a bit out of practice! The tubes (and bracketry) are all made to fit this shell, and are made from very thin wall 4130, welded as an assembly, then heat treated, before final machining and fitting into the diff housing (which is Alloy).

                  Here you can see the hubs, flanges, bells, discs etc all taking shape. Some big weight savings were made here - the hub assembly for example is rotational mass as well as un-sprung mass, so it's worth going to town on. Those studs are titanium: nut guns are banned!





                  Hollow halfshafts & pinion... Although it just occurred to me I need to think of some way of stopping the oil running out the shafts! It took nearly a year to make these - they're certainly well travelled - having been through no less than 7 different operations/companies; Rough machining, gun drilling, splining, heat treatment, more machining, shot-peening, straightening. They even shot-peened inside the gun-drill hole! I'll be most upset if one of these breaks.



                  Also knocked up a couple more anti-roll bars. The front suspension is all a bit new to me, and I have no idea what rate of roll bar will be required. The one on the car (lets call that the "medium" stiffness) is approx the same rate as a typical GP4 Escort tarmac type ARB. Then there's one which is 25% softer and one 25% stiffer, which should be enough to give us an idea what's required...



                  There's also a new steering column on the way, no pictures as yet though, watch this space.

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                  • Graham
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                    • Feb 2006
                    • 25214

                    Re: Fostek's R&D department

                    very very cool tom a core plug could be a very simple effective way of keeping the oil in or out the shafts depending on which end you it it to
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                    • mexicotait
                      Racer
                      Decade Plus User
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 2437

                      Re: Fostek's R&D department

                      Why the hollow shafts?
                      Is it a significant weight saving?

                      Last Road rally I did my car was the lightest by far just because my navigator and I were at least four stone lighter than any other crew

                      So if you are looking for a light weight test pilot you know who to ask!
                      Hexham and District Motorclub

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                      • Graham
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                        • Feb 2006
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                        Re: Fostek's R&D department

                        Why the hollow shafts?
                        Is it a significant weight saving?
                        probably not a significant saving, but if you look at every little bit of weight you can save it adds up,

                        like a jar full of pennys, each one isnt worth much but when you have a huge jar full suddenly you have a decent amount
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                        • Forest_rallying
                          Racer
                          Decade Plus User
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 2473

                          Re: Fostek's R&D department

                          That axle's so Sexy it makes you want to sleep with it.
                          Fantastic work, have you any idea what the dry weight of it complete with brakes will be?

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                          • FOSSIE
                            Pit Crew
                            Decade Plus User
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 1591

                            Re: Fostek's R&D department

                            Originally posted by mexicotait
                            Why the hollow shafts?
                            Is it a significant weight saving?
                            About 500g per shaft I seem to recall. Obviously you can bore a bigger hole, but you're weakening the shaft, so it's a trade-off.

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                            • Warrior
                              Mechanic
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 767

                              Re: Fostek's R&D department

                              This thing is a work of art,

                              A bloke was telling me how he was saving grams of weight here and there in his mk2 escort hill climb car,

                              He's not the smallest guy buy far, I'd gess twice my weight so if I were driving that's 70kg to start with, or get mexicotait as where a similar size

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                              • mexicotait
                                Racer
                                Decade Plus User
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 2437

                                Re: Fostek's R&D department

                                Me and John ( fossie's dad) were talking about this at a charity day recently. How many conversations we had both have with people about there lightweight new gucci bits and the driver weighed 20 stone
                                Hexham and District Motorclub

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