Fostek's R&D department

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  • FOSSIE
    Pit Crew
    Decade Plus User
    • Oct 2004
    • 1591

    #91
    Re: Fostek's R&D department

    Few bits and pieces guys, but nothing major. Technically it could go down on it's wheels now, but I still haven't got any wheels. It's more or less ready to go away for wiring loom now; just 1 or 2 odds and sods to sort out (like wheel speed sensors, for instance - haven't even looked at these yet and they'll need to be in place as they're an integral part of the car's electrickery)



    Biggest step forward was the rear dampers showing up; this meant we could lift the axle (this is a dummy/test axle) into place, along with some hubs and things so we can put wheels on. I ordered the dampers with some extra long hoses so the reservoirs could be mounted in the boot. This meant taking a holesaw to the boot floor; not my favourite job! Great solution though. The rest of the exhaust system is on, fitted a treat. Notice the tail pipe pointing at the ground in an attempt to "help" get the car through noise test!



    The front end is now together enough to get wheels on... Uprights, steering arms, hubs, bells, discs etc. Still waiting for caliper brackets, they will probably have to go on after the car's wired now. Not a problem, it doesn't need working brakes for wiring.



    Axle @ full droop.



    This is the compressor that supplies compressed air for the gearshift system. There's 2 systems built into the car; the first system (for long rallies, or should I say rallies with long sections between service) uses this compressor to fill an accumulator with compressed air, at a fairly low pressure. Compressor runs off the 12v car electrics = no limit to number of gearshifts. However, for short "sprint" type events (on a lot of rallies these days, you'll be doing 10 miles between services max) then we can ditch the compressor and charge the receiver to 300bar, along with an extra regulator to drop the 300bar to a workable pressure. This is the norm on sprint/hillclimb cars, but my theory is a single venue rally is no different to a series of sprints linked together. We can charge the bottle (or swap it for a fully charged bottle) in service.



    This bizarre looking manifold houses the various in/outlets from the air tank. There's 5 different threads in the manifold, and they're all different! Took some working out.



    I nearly forgot a catch tank for the engine bay. Fairly standard-issue alloy tank, although I wanted to use these push-fit fittings for the breather pipe.



    And this is why: the breather comes out the centre of the oil tank filler cap. To unscrew the cap would mean disconnecting the hose (or engineering a swivel of some sort) whereby these push-in fittings are "swivel elbows" anyway - you can unscrew the cap and the fitting stays still. Cool or what?



    That's it for today. Next update should see the car on the deck!

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    • Nelly
      Mechanic
      • Oct 2007
      • 726

      #92
      Re: Fostek's R&D department

      Really coming together, nice to see some things being done a bit different from the norm.

      Love the airshift system but im not sure about the idea of a 300 bar 'bomb' on board though
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      • katana
        Racer
        Decade Plus User
        • May 2012
        • 3273

        #93
        Re: Fostek's R&D department

        Originally posted by Nelly

        Love the airshift system but im not sure about the idea of a 300 bar 'bomb' on board though
        Agreed - please say you added a zero in error? I used to use Nitrous oxide on a bike shifter - 2.5lbs would last all year @ only 650psi / 45 bar!

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        • PeterM
          Pit Crew
          Decade Plus User
          • Jun 2003
          • 1205

          #94
          Re: Fostek's R&D department

          loving the progress mate, would love to know where you got the hubs, legs, arms, suspension etc as i will need to start looking for my project and your help would be very much appreciated. thanks.

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          • turbospud
            Mechanic
            • Jan 2005
            • 670

            #95
            Re: Fostek's R&D department

            Originally posted by Nelly
            Really coming together, nice to see some things being done a bit different from the norm.

            Love the airshift system but im not sure about the idea of a 300 bar 'bomb' on board though
            its not a bomb,its a rocket launcher,looks good tom,are you going to cover the compressor to soundproof it,will make a racket in the cabin

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            • FOSSIE
              Pit Crew
              Decade Plus User
              • Oct 2004
              • 1591

              #96
              Re: Fostek's R&D department

              Originally posted by PeterM
              loving the progress mate, would love to know where you got the hubs, legs, arms, suspension etc as i will need to start looking for my project and your help would be very much appreciated. thanks.
              Peter - just so happens I can help you with this - the man you need to speak with is a Mr J Edwards as in JEMS, Daventry, i think you know of him!? The front suspension kit is JEMS work, and the rear end 4-link geometry.

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              • FOSSIE
                Pit Crew
                Decade Plus User
                • Oct 2004
                • 1591

                #97
                Re: Fostek's R&D department

                Originally posted by katana
                Agreed - please say you added a zero in error? I used to use Nitrous oxide on a bike shifter - 2.5lbs would last all year @ only 650psi / 45 bar!
                No, I did mean 300bar, as in 4500psi.

                Not withstanding any air leaks, the bottle will give approx 1200 - 1400 gearshifts on one fill, depending on actual working shift pressure, which is still TBC (won't know until we test it) This might come as a surprise, but even with a 6-speed clicky box and short ratios, you're very unlikely to average more than 25 gearshifts per mile - and that's on a very tight twisty stage. Most close-road type stages will see 18-20 shifts per mile max. So you can do some maths; that's a fair old milage from 1 fill.

                The bottle is a Mil-spec carbon/kevlar job, it's literally bulletproof (I should mention that the bottle I'm talking about charging to 300bar is not the one in the pictures, which is a paintball bottle - still 300bar mind). I'm not worried about the bottle rupturing in a crash; if the crash is big enough to rupture the tank (or indeed break off the HP reducer) then the air is the least of your worries.

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                • FOSSIE
                  Pit Crew
                  Decade Plus User
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 1591

                  #98
                  Re: Fostek's R&D department

                  Originally posted by turbospud
                  its not a bomb,its a rocket launcher,looks good tom,are you going to cover the compressor to soundproof it,will make a racket in the cabin
                  I was stunned how quiet it was actually! Obviously you can hear it in the workshop, but with the engine running and helmet on, you can't hear the compressor. Which, incidentally, makes it all the more important that there's some safety built-in and the digi dash will give me plenty early warning that the receiver pressure is dropping (i.e. compressor has failed) If you wait until the pressure is so low it won't change gear - you're proper screwed as there's no back up mechanical linkage to change gear!

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                  • Paul A
                    Tyre Kicker
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 27

                    #99
                    Re: Fostek's R&D department

                    I take it that the MBE is controlling all the gear actuators, as Steve uses on the Westfield sprint car? Should work well if so as its had plenty of development and seems very reliable.

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                    • FOSSIE
                      Pit Crew
                      Decade Plus User
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 1591

                      Re: Fostek's R&D department

                      Originally posted by Paul A
                      I take it that the MBE is controlling all the gear actuators, as Steve uses on the Westfield sprint car? Should work well if so as its had plenty of development and seems very reliable.
                      Correct, the MBE controls the gearshift. There's actually only 1 actuator on this system. Most systems use a 2nd, smaller actuator to blip the throttle on downshifts but this system is running fly-by-wire throttle (also driven by the MBE) which takes care of the throttle blips, so no need for that extra actuator.

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                      • waynemk2
                        Mechanic
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 774

                        Re: Fostek's R&D department

                        The Engineering work going into this is amazing. Going to be awesome when its done.

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                        • FOSSIE
                          Pit Crew
                          Decade Plus User
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 1591

                          Re: Fostek's R&D department

                          Quick update;

                          One of the most important components in the gearshift system is the barrel position sensor. The original one, that comes with the gearbox, was really only meant to be used for driving the gear display, not a gear control unit, and so it's not too accurate... So we had to replace it with a better quality, more precise sensor. Naturally, it didn't fit, so some machining and head scratching was required (thanks to CossieMatt for this) The first attempt all looked nice, but on checking the sensor was working properly, I realised it was working the wrong way round - i.e. the voltage output from the sensor was decreasing when you moved up a gear, and vice versa.... So this was the 2nd attempt; same sensor but clockwise rather than anti-clockwise.



                          all fitted



                          And I said it would have wheels!

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                          • PaulAlex
                            Pit Crew
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                            • May 2006
                            • 1551

                            Re: Fostek's R&D department

                            Looking fantastic Tom - hurry up and finish it!

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                            • Paul C
                              Pit Crew
                              Decade Plus User
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 1232

                              Re: Fostek's R&D department

                              Looking great Tom. I love the colour and the attention to detail is incredible. I think you are raising the bar for others to follow!!

                              I hope you bring it down to Rally Day in September as this will have as much, if not more attention than Simon & Jons new car did last year.

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                              • Toymex
                                Pit Crew
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                                • Jan 2004
                                • 1337

                                Re: Fostek's R&D department

                                Looks great Tom ,are the wheels going to clear your calipers ?

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