DW's (new?) Sierra N/A PINTO race car

[david_white]

Hi guys and girls, gonna start a new thread here as the sierra we're building is going in such a different direction I think it warrants it. ;) It will run in class D of the DMN with Andy Pipe etc and will be a great deal simpler and cheaper to run than it would have been in class A. Will be a competitive, very reliable package too if we can get it right :thinking:

Out came the V6 yesterday and in with a pinto that I have aquired as a dummy engine whilst my excellent new engine builder works on the real one. The dummy engine will enable me to fit all of the ancillaries around it and fully sort the engine bay, that way once the new one is done it will drop in and all be literally plug and play :dance:

The brief spec of the car will be as follows.
3 door motorsport shell, lightened as much as poss and running cossie suspension with leda coil-overs all round and hi spec monster 6 pots over 330mm discs up front (std cossie rears with race pads).
Racing dynamics 9x17 wheels with Dunlop btcc rubber.

Rough spec of the engine is a genuine 2.0 litre bottom end with wossner pistons and cossie rods. Injection head (if we can find one :pray:) with big valves and a proven race profile camshaft.
Pace dry sump will be fitted for insurance and it looks like I'll probably go the throtttle body route as I already have an injection set up in the car and want to run full management anyway.

Gearbox will be a tranx type 9 (does anyone know if it fits the cossie prop?)

Here's the pinto ready to start having the exhaust and ancillaries fitted;

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And a rough idea of the new look of the car, won't have a cossie grill or whale tail, but still have RS500 bumpers and arches. Will all get a little tickle from the painter once we're ready too, but wiil stay white and black :thumb:

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[Pushrod King]

In answer to the question re props:The splines are the same but I think the cossie prop's shorter than a type 9 one.

[graham bahr]

In answer to the question re props:The splines are the same but I think the cossie prop's shorter than a type 9 one.

hmmm :thinking: drill a couple of new holes in the x member and move the engine back perhaps? saves buying a new prop and better for weight distribution :bolt:

[david_white]

hmmm :thinking: drill a couple of new holes in the x member and move the engine back perhaps? saves buying a new prop and better for weight distribution :bolt:

I'll check it in the week while I still have a std type 9 there. If the bellhousing is like the V6 one then you can't go back very far before getting the gearbox out becomes a real problem with minimal clearance to the top of the tunnel. :thinking:

[Tezza2]

you could fit three pinto's in there dave!!

good luck with the car anyway....

[david_white]

you could fit three pinto's in there dave!!

good luck with the car anyway....

Cheers Tel, engine bay will soon get filled up though. I have an ashley 3 piece manifold and the longest inlet manifold going in hopefully so space will soon fill up. Also gotta fit a drysump tank up there :thumb:

[Pushrod King]

If the bellhousing is like the V6 one then you can't go back very far before getting the gearbox out becomes a real problem with minimal clearance to the top of the tunnel. :thinking:

You could go quick release on the bellhousing;)
PS: have you seen this months fast ford mag?

[mervhill]

Dave mate, you still struggling to find an injection head? I got mine from Temple Motors in Hertford, might be worth a try there.

[david_white]

Dave mate, you still struggling to find an injection head? I got mine from Temple Motors in Hertford, might be worth a try there.

I am yes, do you have their no.?

[mervhill]

01992582643 :thumb:

[david_white]

Cheers, will try them tomorrow. If not I'll borrow yours :D

[alladdin]

looking forward to this, sounds a nice blend of old and new:thumb:

[angliaant]

good luck dave, i reckon itll be excellent once its done:clap::clap:

[GavinR]

How do you tell if its an injection head or not :dunno:

I've got one here off an engine I got from a scrappy about 8 years ago, I used the 205 block for my cossie engine and just left the head in the back of the shed :D

[Dave]

How do you tell if its an injection head or not :dunno:
Inlet ports are egg shaped on an injection head.

[mervhill]

Yeah, taper slightly to the top of the port Gav. If they're completely round then it's just a standard head.

Dave, I think you'll find you wont :tongue:

[mervhill]

Dave.........

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133419

[Pushrod King]

Dave.........

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133419

I can collect it for you if you want to buy it,I'm in littlehampton Wednesday:thumb:

[david_white]

I can collect it for you if you want to buy it,I'm in littlehampton Wednesday:thumb:

Cheers for that, will let you know :thumb::thumb:

[david_white]

I found that the type 9 I'm fitting is around an inch and a half shorter than the T5 but I want to use the cossie prop.
I therefore set about moving the engine back the 1.5" to compensate and by happy coincidence the engine sat perfectly up to the bulkhead and the ashley manifold bought from burtons on saturday now 95% fits, which for an ashley manifold, meant for an escort, is feckin amazing :dance:

The engine is all bolted down on its mounts in this position and apart from a couple of small dinks being needed in the manifold to clear the engine mount and the column its all happy. Hopefully the ally bellhousing will have enough space (once I get one) and its all sorted :woohoo:

I also fitted the cossie rad which sits nice and low and where the std intercooler would go I have put a 13 row oil cooler. The remaining gap will be for induction and blanked off where not needed.
My kenlow from the zetec install in the escort also fits lovely so all of these bits are now mocked in place. Should be loads of room for a dry sump tank to sit with minimal pipe runs to the pump :)


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[alladdin]

is that really what Inj heads fetch:clint:

[graham bahr]

its looking good dave :thumb:

[mervhill]

Looking good indeed mate. If you're after an alloy bellhousing for a MK2 escort mate then R.A.C.E do them new for about £120.

[graham bahr]

it just occured to me you might be able to gain clearance for the steering shaft by knocking the shaft further onto the rack

[david_white]

it just occured to me you might be able to gain clearance for the steering shaft by knocking the shaft further onto the rack

I think 2 things I am doing will solve it. Firstly I will probably lower the angle of the column anyway as the seat will sit quite low and far back, and secondly even the thickness of a head gasket will make a difference as the manifold is only just touching the column and the head is sitting straight on the block atm. :thinking:

I may have to make a little dink in the manifold just to clear the mount on that side though, its a tad tight now and is stopping the lower part of the manifold lining up with both top pieces :thumb:

[graham bahr]

and secondly even the thickness of a head gasket will make a difference as the manifold is only just touching the column and the head is sitting straight on the block atm.

sounds good, although there will probably be more than the thickness of a head gasket skimmed off your head and block :bolt:

that said a simple washer under the O/S engine mount wil soon offset any problems there

[GavinR]

Inlet ports are egg shaped on an injection head.

Well I checked tonight and my ports are egg shaped so I've got one here if you're still looking for one - a bit of surface rust but should clean up ok ;)

[SidewaysMk1]

couple questions.

Whats the diff ratio??

Are they any off the shelve crown wheel n pinion kits with a 4.4:1 or similar?

How heavy is your sierra?

hope i'm not being nosey jus tryin to find out some things.

[graham bahr]

you can buy 4.4:1 CWP's for the sierra diff but they are quite expensive being made for motorsport specifically because ford never made that ratio for the sierra i think the lovwest they made was a 3.9, most had 3.6 diff

[SidewaysMk1]

yeah mines has a 3.6 diff, but it still surprises me on its acceleration and its only a 1600....but i suspect it may have in Type 3 gt box as its a 85 model.

Mines also weights 980kgs but its a 4door.

[david_white]

Right had a sort out of gearboxes today, the old T5 is up for sale so I thought i'd better start sorting out its replacement.

Its a good ole type 9 and I gave it a bit of a clean up, well a lot actually. It came out of a grasstrack car so it had mud an inch thick that had baked to a near concrete consistancy :clint: Any way I got it a bit cleaner and found a 5 year old spray can of engine enamal that once unsiezed did a great job of making it look better. :cool:

Cleaned and painted the strengthened mount too and tomorrow I'll try to get the quaife ally top cover for it. Then its off to the gearbox man for a fresh tranx kit to go in once I've sorted which ratios to get :thinking:

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[david_white]

I've also sourced 99% of the engine internals this week so hopefully the engine build will begin proper very soon :pray:

:popcorn:

[mervhill]

Dave mate, unless the Sierra tunnel is a lot bigger than the escort by the box, don't change to an alloy top cover, they foul. Also, the steel ones are better for installing a breather :thumb:

[david_white]

Dave mate, unless the Sierra tunnel is a lot bigger than the escort by the box, don't change to an alloy top cover, they foul. Also, the steel ones are better for installing a breather :thumb:

Well there's a fair bit of room judging by the size of the T5 that slid out but I've not had trouble fitting those covers before. They add quite a bit of strength to the std casings and are essential if fitting an ally casing (which I'm not btw). :thumb:

[mervhill]

That's cool then mate, just I know Matt had a bit of an issue to begin with I believe with it fouling on the tunnel.

[david_white]

That's cool then mate, just I know Matt had a bit of an issue to begin with I believe with it fouling on the tunnel.


I think the sierra tunnel is a lot bigger than an escort and taller, although it will still be quite tight around the bellhousing I think ;)

[mervhill]

That's only because you have these funny ideas like putting the engine next to you (almost) :D

[david_white]

Gotta say a big thank you to Clint for sourcing some important parts for my pintosaurus and even donating a couple of big bits to the cause. :clap::clap::clap::clap:

Will put some pics up tomorrow but thanks also to Gary @ retro for spending half the day today helping me turn a std cossie door into a lightweight masterpiece :drool:
Will be doing the drivers one to match soon, unless I can find a better one without the dents ;) :thumb: :thumb:

Just need to lighten the tailgate a lot now, and still trying to find a fibreglass bonnet :pray:

[david_white]

Right, got loads sorted out in the past few days. Got a new set of bells and brackets made so that I could mount my Hi-Spec brakes on the sierra for the first time. Cheers Jeff for quick service as usual :clap:

These are 6 pot monsters, with 335x32 rotors and Mintex 1144 pads. Rears are staying as vented cossie discs with new std pads for now, although one day I might try Hi-specs direct replacement billet caliper which must be half the weight (even the 6 pots on the front weigh f all) :cool:

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Also got my alloy bellhousing double quick which along with the quaife top cover means its ready to trial fit before going for its tranx kit.

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[david_white]

Also got a couple of pics of the lightened door, ready to go for painting. The white one will be the spare as it has lots of golf ball size dents, but look how much metal we took out without weakening the black one :clint: The whole lot is swaged and lipped over.
The new door also has a handle and opening lever incorporated into it which Gary made up :thumb:

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[angliaant]

nice work dave. that door looks sweet:clap:
you havent got any sierra uprights going spare have you bud?;)

[david_white]

Heres the new inlet manifold, it is the longest one around, which should help a bit with this engine. It still leaves me 120mm to fit the t/b's and 100mm more for a filter or airbox. Damn this thing has much more space than the escort..

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Don't worry about the strut brace, its already gone and a new x-brace has been designed :banana:

Oh and one last bit of good news, I managed to source a lightweight bonnet and boot at last from Smith and Deakin :woohoo:. They also do fibreglass front wings but I'm not sure I can afford to lose the strength at the front as sierras are notoriously week there, although the multi-point cage should help a lot :thinking:
I'll wait until I really need wings before I go there anyway.

[david_white]

nice work dave. that door looks sweet:clap:
you havent got any sierra uprights going spare have you bud?;)


Cheers Ant :thumb: , no we haven't got any uprights, its the one thing i didn't get spares of with the car :dunno:

[angliaant]

Cheers Ant :thumb: , no we haven't got any uprights, its the one thing i didn't get spares of with the car :dunno:
ah well not to worry:)
if ya hear of any going cheap can ya give me a shout please:cool:
the car is genna be wicked:cool::cool::cool:

[kosingcurry]

Mr White.....the car's looking amazing! keep it up!:thumb:

[Pushrod King]

Looking good:thumb: where are you getting your gear kit?

[david_white]

Looking good:thumb: where are you getting your gear kit?

I'll let you know soon, haven't even worked out the ratios yet. Gotta decide on a diff too but I'm sure it won't be too difficult :thumb:

[Pushrod King]

I've got a 3.92 7" sierra lsd :thumb:

[david_white]

Little update for you folks, I've been doing a bit to the bodywork lately to get it ready to go off to the painters.

I've fitted the carbon RS500 front bumper and its hockey sticks from xsport using 4 bonnet pins, which Gary told me were red btw :gay: :D
Next I fitted the brand new base model grille which I'm thinking looks a bit different :cool: plus the grilles line up with where I the need air to flow and I don't need large headlights (only LEDs infact) so this is ideal and a lot cheaper to replace if broken.

Next we have a very lightweight f/glass bonnet with no internals and I've also removed the black grill from behind it at the base of the windscreen (mainly cos it was fooked and they are crap!). At the back of the car a matching tailgate also minus internals saves more precious weight and will be fitted with simple hinges and boot springs. :thumb:
I still have to fit the perspex windows and the lighter doors and I have DTM mirrors to go on and perspex light covers for the grille.
That lot won't be too bad and then its off to have the white bits made a bit whiter and the black bits a bit blacker along with the arches and sills painted black :dance:

Oh and you may notice my recent purchase, a set of touring car wheels from team dynamics with wets on, there is also a matching set with slicks ready to bolt on presuming its ever sunny next year :D These wheels are gorgeous, awesome quality and they fit to within a millemeter everywhere even though they are 9x17s. The pics really don't do them justice :drool:
I have to say a huge thanks to Tony at www.touringcarspares.com for sorting the wheels and tyres they couldn't have worked out better and are unbelievable value for money (I thought he was pricing up second hand ones until he asked what colour to have them finished in :clint:)

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[david_white]

Under the bonnet theres been a bit more cleaning up and removing of brackets and clips that aren't necessary. I also took the large battery tray out to make way for the T/Bs one day :pray: I put down a bit of red oxide primer too to stop any rot where water and crap had sat under the tray.

I have now removed the cups from the turrets which were for the strutbrace. They were incredibly thick ally with at least 7 M10 nuts and bolts holding each on on. Needless to say Gary can make something a lot neater and more practical for the strut braceplus the n/s one would possibly have fouled the airfilter ;)

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[graham bahr]

nice one :clap:

also very much like the base grill idea, it looks good and different :thumb:

[kosingcurry]

Looks wicked mate, keep up the good work!

[david_white]

Thanks chaps, good to know that it looks ok, I know its a bit different but i'm going for the minimalist K.I.S.S approach and I think it will look good once its tidied up a bit and all stickerered up :thumb:

I'm not too worried what the purists may think as this car had been well abused and forgotten so for it to come back to life and get to race again is something we'll be proud of :banana:

[angliaant]

nice work dave... i herd you had been craking on with it:clap::clap:

its genna be brilliant

keep up the good work:clap:

[david_white]

nice work dave... i herd you had been craking on with it:clap::clap:

its genna be brilliant

keep up the good work:clap:

Cheers Ant, just wish I could get more time on it and a little more space. I might have to lock you in there and pass food under the door for a couple of weeks, will all be finished then easy... :thinking:

[angliaant]

Cheers Ant, just wish I could get more time on it and a little more space. I might have to lock you in there and pass food under the door for a couple of weeks, will all be finished then easy... :thinking:

go for it, im up for that:D:cool:

[alladdin]

go for it, im up for that:D:cool:

:thinking: ever been to wales?:D

cracking on nicely:thumb:

[Broadmoor]

Nice to see progress:clap:..

But that front grill is horrible dave :noway:seriously

[david_white]

nice To See Progress:clap:..

But That Front Grill Is Horrible Dave :noway:seriously

:rolleyes:

[Broadmoor]

:rolleyes:

OK.maybe i was a bit harsh...i mean that front grill must weigh more than a Glass Cosworth grill;)

[PIG]

good to see progress dave,im not a lover of the base grille either but where all different m8.when you hoping to get it running then m8?:thumb:

[david_white]

good to see progress dave,im not a lover of the base grille either but where all different m8.when you hoping to get it running then m8?:thumb:

I have both types of grille so will no doubt try out both but my cossie one is a bit in need of tlc and the std base ones are great at a tenner new, and still very light. All the slots line up with my air intakes and cooler etc :thumb:

Robwasanob, dont worry I didn't think it was harsh, just would like my cossie beater to look a bit different :tongue:

[Broadmoor]

BROADMOOR, dont worry I didn't think it was harsh, just would like my cossie beater to look a bit different :tongue:

Cheers dave...i wish you all the best with the Cosworth beating pinto..As Jon the Turks "2.3 HT Slide motec Big Spec Big Money'd Pinto" got his ass handed to him on a plate recently at snett..so hopefully you will put up a harder fight than that:thumb:

Get it finished and come out to play:popcorn:

[graham bahr]

Cheers dave...i wish you all the best with the Cosworth beating pinto..As Jon the Turks "2.3 HT Slide motec Big Spec Big Money'd Pinto" got his ass handed to him on a plate recently at snett..so hopefully you will put up a harder fight than that:thumb:

Get it finished and come out to play:popcorn:

at snett davids got no chance against a cossy powered sierra due to the length of the straights, but at brands indy circuit or lydden, lighter weight, better weight distribution an an instant throttle response should give him the tools to do the job

[penski]

Shine a light! Not been on here in a couple of months...Last thing I remember was the V6 being trial fitted and I've just come back to a transit engine! :p

Only joking, fella. As much as I'm not the Pintos biggest fan, I have a bit of a soft spot for single cam fours with huge intake runners on one side and a massive bunch of bananas on the other.

*n

[david_white]

Shine a light! Not been on here in a couple of months...Last thing I remember was the V6 being trial fitted and I've just come back to a transit engine! :p

Only joking, fella. As much as I'm not the Pintos biggest fan, I have a bit of a soft spot for single cam fours with huge intake runners on one side and a massive bunch of bananas on the other.

*n


I must say I'm enjoying this build more than ever and I think the V6 would have made for another very complicated race car.
As a road engine the power would have been great but we have to consider future rebuild costs and running costs too so the pinto running in a lower class makes a lot of sense, and should be fun to drive with more power than my zetec escort and less weight (it wasn't that light then) ;)

[david_white]

I've ordered a set of solid alloy rear beam mounts, so my next point of attack will be to do a small overhaul on all the suspension bushes etc :thumb:

[david_white]

Finished fitting the new bonnet today, made some brackets to come off of the origional hinges and fitted M6 rivnuts. This means that the bonnet can be unbolted very quickly if needed and I fitted some nice cup washers and countersink bolts to spread the load a bit :thumb:
Also fitted the bonnet pins, just gotta get another pair now, one for the front of the bonnet and another off of the strut brace if needed. :thinking:

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I then turned my attention to the rear of the car.
Fitted the LED rainlight into the back panel, and also removed all of the strengthening plates from behind it in the boot as they don't do anything now there isn't a heavy tailgate to slam down. :thinking:

Then I fitted the tailgate using HD plastic hinges from rs and boot springs. I have got the angles right so they dont 'bind' the tailgate or bend it when lifting, plus you can also swing it right over and sit it on the roof where it is safe from gusts of wind. :watchout:

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I've hinged both the bonnet and boot because they are single skin and very light, so wouldn't really be safe if you removed the and left them off in the paddock, they'd either blow over, or away :clint:

[angliaant]

nice work dave:clap::cool:

[Toymex]

Looking good Dave did you fit a resistor to the rain light if so what size ,where did you get the washers for the bolts and were they expensive as i would like to fit my arches on the nova with bolts and washers like that but am going to need a few,

[david_white]

Looking good Dave did you fit a resistor to the rain light if so what size ,where did you get the washers for the bolts and were they expensive as i would like to fit my arches on the nova with bolts and washers like that but am going to need a few,

I have a resistor for the light, I'll let you know what colour code it is, I can't remember off hand.

The bolts and washers, I've sort of borrowed them from a machine at work. :rolleyes:
I'll have a look and see if I can order you any, or if not where to get them :thumb:

[Toymex]

Thanks Dave

[david_white]

Weight reduction continues (of the car at least :rolleyes:), today I helped(?, made coffee..) Gary lighten the drivers door so now I have a matching pair, well sort of if you ignore the colours :D

Cheers Gary :thumb:

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[Retromotorsport]

Your welcome :thumb:

[markb]

looking good DW!
you at Brands on the 1st/2nd?
gonna do my best to get down there... for once! :O

[david_white]

looking good DW!
you at Brands on the 1st/2nd?
gonna do my best to get down there... for once! :O

Yep, will be there, try to make it, we ain't seen you in ages :thumb:

and theres big twucks too :woohoo: :doh:

[markb]

i know mate... been overwhelmed with other bullsh!tfor a while unfortunately! :(

might even drag the mrs down.

[david_white]

Right a few panels inc. doors, tailgate, bumpers etc are ready for the painter this week so I thought I'd get the bonnet finished too by fitting the NACA duct that will feed the airfilter along with the duct above the rad (plenty cold air :dance:)

I measured carefully on the bonnet to mark where the airfilter will sit on the TBs and got the NACA duct template I'd made as close to the right position as possible without going across the bodyline on the bonnet.
Had to chain drill parts and hand cut it as my jigsaw's died and the airsaw is several miles away (I'm impatient to get these bits off to Ray the painter :rolleyes:)

It came out fine though and all rubbed down nicely. Just need to put some countersinks in it to pull it down nice and flat, but it fits a treat :dance:

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[scooby_hugh]

i like that scoop! loving the car, :thumb: :clap:

[david_white]

Hmmmm, Jenveys :drool:

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As well as the 45mm throttle bodies I also picked up a nice dry sump kit, ultralite flywheel and a few other goodies. Thanks to the chaps in Burtons, as ever very helpful :clap:
I'm well pleased with the way the filter sits to, within a mm of the turret, although i just need to change the backplate as the spacing on the inlet manifold is a bit strange.

I also countersunk and bolted the NACA duct in and fitted a 3rd bonnet pin to stop the centre of the bonnet trying to do an impression of a tent. Will get some better pics tomorrow..

[markb]

getting there mate :thumb:

[david_white]

getting there mate :thumb:

Cheers Mark, slowly but surely. Just grabbing an hour or so on it when I can at the moment but it all adds up :thumb:

Here's the NACA fitted as well as a rear window and the dash pod. Will get the rest of the windows in next.

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[david_white]

Also picked up these goodies; :cool:

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I think I need to get a different mounting bracket though, I'm pretty sure this one is for a 205 block which mine isn't. Need to have a look at a 205 block to be sure :thinking:

[mervhill]

Looks awesome that Dave, should sound absolutely sweet! That fuel injection will make for a lovely smooth engine, and will probably unleash a few horses over carbs.

How much was the dry sump? PM me if you don't want to share.

[angliaant]

getting there now dave... itll soon be tearing up the tracks:cool:

[robrs2]

Dave you put that there 9 x 17's wheels. What offset are they?
How are they for a fit with the steel arches?
I'm looking to get some 8 x 17's for my 3 door. May go wider for the rear if i can get them to fit inside standard arches, as i don't have the cossie arch kit on.

[david_white]

Rob, the wheels are current touring car 9x17's supplied by Tony Ryan at www.touringcarspares.com. He can tell you more but I think the et is 23. They are very close to the leda coilovers so you may have trouble on normal legs but Tony would know. At the rear I could have got 10's under the arches with the right offset, but I am only running a pinto so the 9's are more than enough. ;)

Not sure how much the drysump kit worked out Glenn, it was from Burtons though and it is a lovely bit of kit. :cool:
I did want the one with a sump mounted oil pump as this makes for the neatest installation but that wouldn't have cleared the steering rack, it might on an escort though :thumb:

[Tezza2]

looking good dave..
Your pump bracket looks the same as mine, but the single bolt on the right looks bigger!

[david_white]

looking good dave..
Your pump bracket looks the same as mine, but the single bolt on the right looks bigger!


I think the block needs to be drilled and tapped as its only M8 atm I think. the lengths of the spacers may need adjusting aswell, maybe with washers.
I'll dummy fit it with M8's first just to see if the belt fits right and that the pump is straight. :thumb:

[tom burgess]

Looking good Dave:thumb:should be interesting next year:)

[mervhill]

Not sure how much the drysump kit worked out Glenn, it was from Burtons though and it is a lovely bit of kit. :cool:
I did want the one with a sump mounted oil pump as this makes for the neatest installation but that wouldn't have cleared the steering rack, it might on an escort though :thumb:

Ok cheers mate, I might have a word with SBD too, as I believe they still source all their dry sump equipment from them.

Is this going to be on the grid for the beginning of next season then? :thumb:

[graham bahr]

i've been compairing blocks

to use the 205 pump bracket on an early 2.0 block as you say dave you will need to drill and tap the holes in the block out to m10 from m8 and that long spacer needs lenthening by about 10mm,

not so much work then,

if anyones interested whilst i was looking at blocks i got the bathroom scales out, the early block is 2kg lighter than the 205

[robrs2]

At the rear I could have got 10's under the arches with the right offset,

I may have a go with some steels. Looked at a cut and shut on 2 mondeo steel 15's to give 9 .5" wide. Not sure on the offset.

[Tezza2]

I think the block needs to be drilled and tapped as its only M8 atm I think. the lengths of the spacers may need adjusting aswell, maybe with washers.
I'll dummy fit it with M8's first just to see if the belt fits right and that the pump is straight. :thumb:




Thinking back, you may have the same bracket that I was given by pace!

And they changed it for the one I have now.

[Anders Kverneng]

That's just way too nice! :D

[PaulAlex]

Not sure how I managed to miss this one - what a wicked project :drool:

I seem to be at that funny age where I keep having silly thoughts about 3-door Sierras :D Was drooling over a couple at Brands on Thursday too....

Keep the updates coming!

Cheers,

Paul

[david_white]

Cheers Paul, yes the ones you mention at Brands are absolutely gorgeous, I was sorry I couldn't make it as I haven't seen them in action. :cool:
Will take quite a while before the bodywork on mine gets that good but it gives me something to aim for. Besides its a racecar so will get a bit of a hammering anyway :dunno:

Hopefully all of the removable panels like doors, bonnet, tailgate, bumpers etc will be off to the painters in the week then the car will follow once they are done. It is only having a freshen up but knowing Ray, our painter he'll want it all done before he lets it go, depends on how much time we get. :thinking:

[therealpinto]

Nice project!

I'm not sure if you have solved the diff issue, but the later Scorpios (1995-on) were available with 7,5" diffs with 4.09:1 (8v DOHC) and 4.27:1 (16v DOHC). Usually quite a bit cheaper than motorsport ratios ;-)

They also have a rear beam that is strenghtened in several ways.

Gustaf

[david_white]

Nice project!

I'm not sure if you have solved the diff issue, but the later Scorpios (1995-on) were available with 7,5" diffs with 4.09:1 (8v DOHC) and 4.27:1 (16v DOHC). Usually quite a bit cheaper than motorsport ratios ;-)

They also have a rear beam that is strenghtened in several ways.

Gustaf

Cheers Gustaf, I will investigate this further as that sounds like the solution :thumb:

[robrs2]

Beam off the BOB Scorpio is not a straight fit as its wider. Rear track is about 30mm wider.