A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

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  • Graham
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    Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

    some progress sort of, some time ago i bought a genuine 2.5 s14 head off ebay it was very cheap!





    you now know why. clearly its dropped a valve, judging by one of the inlet guides being deeper into the port than all the rest its likely that what actually happened was it was buzzed or used an un-advisably radical cam on the std shim arrangement, std shims sit in the top of cam buckets and can be flicked out.

    most likely a shim was flicked out, jammed and next time the inlet cam cam round, it tried to lift the cam way past its normal lift, the top of the retainer and collets punched the guide down and at the same time mashed a valve in a piston. ive just received a set of oversize valves from america, even with import duties etc etc they are a fraction of the price of buying them here. and have now dropped the head off to have it welded up and new inserts.

    im just waiting on the new block to turn up, and some money so i can afford NEW valves springs, new steel followers and go to group A bda style top hat shims, so i can spend even more money on hotter cam, and not worry about it self destructing every time i rev it
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    • Graham
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      Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

      done some physical work on the car today, made a new pair of engine mounts, the idea being to straighten the engine up a bit, so the sump works better, but mainly to give more space to get a decent exhaust manifold in, got to rejig gearbox mounts and linkage now

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      lost the pic of the rh one but it looks pretty similar
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      • Roadsport
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        Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

        What kind of exhaust do you have in mind?
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        • Graham
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          Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

          space may yet dictate which design it its but it will either be a 4 into 1 or a 4,2,1 using very short secondaries, something these engines seem to favor, the real issue is space because it wants 2 inch primaries!
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          • Graham
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            Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

            incidentally Friday i ordered the new 148mm rods, tbh i dont see a 4mm change in rod length making a dramatic difference to the engine, other than the cr will go up, yeah i know the crank postiition/rod angle improves, but having got all technical with pens, paper and a protractor with the crank at 90 degrees the difference in rod angle is a mere 2 degrees
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            • Roadsport
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              Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

              Do they make a pino manifold with 2" primaries ?

              Well the CR is a big improvement and the improved rod angle is a bonus. Both in the right direction. Only two degrees? I guess thats the down side of the long throw crank.
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              • Graham
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                Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                Originally posted by Roadsport
                Do they make a pino manifold with 2" primaries ?
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                nope they make s14 manifolds with 2 inch primaries for eye watering amounts of cash, even then they are for lhd so no use to me, i dont mind cutting up ashley pinto manifolds, but buying a bmw one for a 4 figure sum and cutting that will take balls lol! so i guess i will have to make one just like you did
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                • Roadsport
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                  Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                  Making one your self is a good way of getting everything to fit. 4-2-1 "merge" collectors are propably easier to do than 4-1. I used a pre fabricated collector. I know I should try a 4-2-1 myself but as for now I can bring my self to do it but maybe when the snow melts.
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                  • Pushrod King
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                    Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                    Talk to Matt Simpson.

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                    • Graham
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                      Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

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                      a little more progress, heads back from being welded and having new inserts, need to port it now, although the machine shop advised me to be very gentle in one area of the throat because it was actually holed through to the water jacket
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                      • dsm2002
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                        Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                        Graham

                        what angle do you reckon your engine is now at? From memory you had the chevron style sump for 17º. Do see any issue with the gearbox also being rotated? [I'm looking at a similar issue for extractors for a M42]

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                        • Graham
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                          Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                          the engine now sits with the sump level, not tipped up so it is indeed sitting around 17 degrees, the gearbox wont care about the angle, although filling it with oil to the filer plug will now give the wrong level inside, the only difficulty i predict is fabricating a new gearlinkage
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                          • stephen bahr
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                            Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                            so do you now have even less room exhaust side to play with a manifold?
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                            • exboyracer
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                              Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                              Nice save there

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                              And other junk I don't like to talk about!

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                              • Graham
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                                Re: A race bmw 316, now S14 powered again!

                                Originally posted by stephen bahr
                                so do you now have even less room exhaust side to play with a manifold?
                                no much more, the engines more upright
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