A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

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  • david_white
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    • Nov 2004
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    Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

    Originally posted by graham bahr
    im hoping to make the second dmn round which is may
    Looking good Graham, let me know if we can help with anything

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    • Pushrod King
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      • Feb 2006
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      Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

      Originally posted by graham bahr
      im hoping to make the second dmn round which is may
      Going to be a busy meeting. Will you be at BH on sunday?

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      • Graham
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        Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

        Originally posted by david_white
        Looking good Graham, let me know if we can help with anything

        wanna be a sponsor?????
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        • david_white
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          Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

          Originally posted by graham bahr
          wanna be a sponsor?????
          Errr I'll have to think about that but I can always pop up and lend a hand if you promise to buy me a bag of chips

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          • Dave
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            • Oct 2003
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            Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

            Good to see a bit of progress Graham. Best of luck getting it racing

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            • Graham
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              Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

              cheers chaps

              now the dry sump drive is sorted i need to attach my new trigger wheel, i dont have much to attach it to either, my engine doesnt have a front pulley as such, just a modified crank boss form a big six bmw engine

              unfortunatly wherre i needed to attach drill and tap holes for teh trigger wheel some overlapped with teh origonal holes that the big six engine uses for bolting on a crank damper etc, so i locteded bolts into the holes let the loctite set and cut the bolts off flush with the boss



              next was to drill and tap holes to take the trigger, and make a new mounting bracket for the crank sensor as this trigger is smaller in diameter than my origonal one



              as you can see the dry sump pullet fitted very close! infact i had to machine down the pulley to get a fraction of clearance for the bolts, still i no teh bolts will never come out and if they do im alreay in deep trouble because the oil pump pulley will of already fallen off!


              to get the oil pump pulleys to line up i had to thin down the crank boss where it meets the crank so i now need to thin down the timming cover also!!




              lastly a pic with all the pulleys and timing cover on, so in theory i think i now have the bottom end all sorted

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              • david_white
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                • Nov 2004
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                Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                Glad to see you got it sorted Graham, thats quite a large pulley on the oil pump isn't it

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                • Roger Miller
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                  Originally posted by david_white
                  Glad to see you got it sorted Graham, thats quite a large pulley on the oil pump isn't it
                  4:1 gearing there ??
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                  • Graham
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                    Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                    Originally posted by david_white
                    Glad to see you got it sorted Graham, thats quite a large pulley on the oil pump isn't it
                    its a 2.1 reduction, the pulleys only look odd because were used to seeing dry sumps driven off a pintos aux pulley which is rotating at half engne speed, where as im driving off the crank
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                    • carpethead
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                      • Mar 2009
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                      Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                      Very nice M8, that lump will make 500 with a bit more puff

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                      • Graham
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                        Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                        Originally posted by carpethead
                        Very nice M8, that lump will make 500 with a bit more puff
                        not so 250 would be ok, although im secretly hoping to see more

                        as im going back to my N/A roots theres no turbo this year and only a 8 valve head, should be just fast enough to show mr white the error of his ways
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                        • Roger Miller
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                          Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                          Originally posted by graham bahr
                          its a 2.1 reduction, the pulleys only look odd because were used to seeing dry sumps driven off a pintos aux pulley which is rotating at half engne speed, where as im driving off the crank
                          GB,

                          Huh.

                          The Pinto aux drive turns 1/4 speed, of crank, like cam [4 stroke] so should be 1 to 1.

                          4 to 1 crank driven

                          2 to 1 is too slow in my book,.... but whats pace say ?
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                          • Graham
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                            Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                            roger cam shafts turn at 1/2 not 1/4 crank speed!

                            pace spec'd both the pump and the pulleys to suit my specific engine so if 2.1 is wrong then pace got it wrong!

                            interestinly the pulleys in the pic of the crank driven duratec in that pic look very similar to mine
                            Last edited by Graham; 14-03-2009, 15:24.
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                            • alfaracer156
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                              • Jan 2008
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                              Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                              Hi Graham,glad to see your still hard at it.I hope to see you later in the season. Mike

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                              • david_white
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                                • Nov 2004
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                                Re: a very powerfull and troublesome bmw 316

                                Originally posted by graham bahr
                                not so 250 would be ok, although im secretly hoping to see more

                                as im going back to my N/A roots theres no turbo this year and only a 8 valve head, should be just fast enough to show mr white the error of his ways
                                Well we have very similar cars, it all comes down to who has the better engine builder

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