A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

[Retromotorsport]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

So.... we've got to keep our eyes out for some cheap GRP wings, and doors then. As your still giving weight away to the others..

(allthough i still think a thunderloon sierra kit could be used and loose some weight from the rear 1/4's and front wings to start with.. speak to Greg, hes got some S/H ones)

Congrats on the placings though ... was a sad finish, specially when a vistitor causes the carnage

[Toymex]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

Well done on the results Graham ,i have been following the thread on 10tenths cant believe the state of Bills mini and the honda they were both lucky to walk away with relativly (sp) minor injuries considering the damage ,was the the driver who caused the problem a novice ,it has made me think about maybe entering at a lower level to gain a bit more experience ,i wouldn,t want to be responsible for a crash like that .

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

So.... we've got to keep our eyes out for some cheap GRP wings, and doors then. As your still giving weight away to the others..

ironically about the only one im not giving weight away too is lee, but his honda has the same power,that said its much better areowise and the car is a pukka well sorted machine

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

was the the driver who caused the problem a novice ,

no he wasnt a novic, andpower had nothing to do with the accident he had been bumping his way through the field, i've seen incar footage from another car which clearly showed him going between gregs honda and the edge of the track where there simply wasnt room, that span greg out who hit the pitwall and bounced back onto the track, collecting chris hayes's seat and bill collected chris, lee was first uninvolved driver on scene and i was right behind him thinking "christ which way do i go" as gregs honda was still spinning across the track.

i know the driver respocible was excluded and now has points on his licence and his driving will be a matter for discussion at the next barc se comittee meeting

,it has made me think about maybe entering at a lower level to gain a bit more experience

i dont see why you should, i would think differently if you were to come out in a 800bhp skyline or similar as a novice

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

conclusions, the cars actually working well, what was once a difficult lap time is now easy to achive, where its weakest at the moment is traction out of clearways and but less so graham hill, one answer would be more lock in the diff, but to my mind thats the wrong way to do things i want both rear wheels putting the power down not 1 or 1.5,

weight transferr/body roll can cause traction issues which you can improve by making the front stiffer, i dont want to stiffen the front anymore because it turns in and rides the kerbs well, what i think is happening is that although body roll is minimal its just enough to take the load off the inside rear spring, so that plan is to get Gaz to revalve the rear shocks to better suit the rear 450lb springs (they were origonally valved for 250s) and add some helper springs which will put some preload into the rear end so there is always some spring pressure on the trailing arms

[justaddmud]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

i too have been watching this thread, and this race was the first time i have seen the DMN and you sure dont dissapoint, first the leader in the escort cos pulls over and bursts into flames in the pits, then 2 laps later that accident

seriously though, nice work, hope to watch a few more dmn events this year

[Group4_Mark2]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

I always thought rallying was a much more dangerous form of motorsport but at least there each driver is responsible for his own actions but on the track you need to trust that all the other driver are doing the right thing. Frightening accident, glad no one got badly hurt.

[Retromotorsport]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

Before it sounds like this is normal... I must use Grahams thread to point out that the DMN has a brillient record of safe driving, and some of the closest dices seen on british circuits, with a mix of cars rarely seen anywhere else , the front two rows can have over 2500bhp, the last two, can struggle to share 500bhp.
There have been a few accidents, but these have been 'handshakes in the pits' afterwards, and a few have fallen off on their own. but, that said, you are hard pushed to find closer racing, and close, exciting racing means a little rub, two escorts at Lydden were touching nearly every lap, in the pits, the pair patted each other on the back, and asked for each others paint back, before going up to the office for a telling off.
The championship is organised well, and policed well.. its fair, close, and exciting.

In my mind, the DMN is one of the best around, backed up by being in the top 5 of the Motoring News poll year after year .

Back to you Graham

[stephen bahr]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

So.... we've got to keep our eyes out for some cheap GRP wings, and doors then.

are you trying to put weight into the car gary?

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

i've just realised that as a result of 4 consistant finishes i now lead my class

[david_white]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

Well done mate, thats what its all about. As the cars are getting quicker and quicker it very much pays to have a solid reliable car that can score points every race weekend. A win followed by a failure isn't much good but consistant top 3 results and every chance of getting class wins will pay dividends at the end of the year.

The car looks more and more planted on track, as Lee's incar shows but I would love to get the car a lot lower. I think this will have to wait till the winter but with the right arches and some poking and proding of the geometry the whole thing can come down a couple of inches with a bit of luck..

Gary I have my eye on those t'loon arches keep your hands off Besides I have already told Graham that you're the man to design him a bespoke set of arches, possibly like exagerated M3 ones or along the lines of my old ones but with the middle width on the back

[david_white]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

Gary, perfect description of the DMN. We dont want people thinking it is banger racing, but even as I watched that 2nd race from the sidelines there was way too much nudging and biting of peoples bumpers going on and I think the horrible result of this race will be a wake up call for everyone. We are all out there to enjoy it and it is very expensive at the best of times without having people who don't even mind writing off another car to gain a place. I was very lucky as I got turned round like Greg did last season but I was speared into the pit entry. A couple of metres later and I would have hit the pit wall and almost certainly been collected. Rant over.

On a positive note it looks like all involved are aiming to get out again as soon as possible and in the mean time we all wish Bill a speedy recovery, the man is a Legend

Also good luck to Greg, he must ache like hell and now they are talking about rebuilding what was left of the civic

[Graham]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

whole thing can come down a couple of inches with a bit of luck..

doubt it, at the front theres barely 1.5 inches between the underside of the innerwing and tyre

[Retromotorsport]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

time to move the inner wings up ...

[stephen bahr]

Re: A race bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

time to move the inner wings up ...

have you made some interpretation of wording to allow this?