A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

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  • Graham
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    Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

    Originally posted by david_white
    I think my car was using nearer to 2 litres a lap, if not a touch less. bargain
    i guess thats the difference between 156lbft and 208lbft
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    • Pushrod King
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      Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

      Originally posted by stephen bahr


      what's your point?
      The point young man is that us adults don't always have time to sit at a computor typing race reports!

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      • Pushrod King
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        Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

        Originally posted by graham bahr
        OUCH, thats harsh stephen,
        That's right Graham teach your boy some respect

        Originally posted by graham bahr
        i dont suppose nick saw anything of my car i certainly didnt ever see nick on track
        I did see it once or twice in race one (I was 6 or 7 places behind before it broke),but despite making up 16 places (From 46th to 28th)in race two the delay when starting at the back of the pack cost me too much time to have a chance of finishing any higher.

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        • stephen bahr
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          Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

          only 200Kgs left to remove now
          we need more makes the car much faster
          Cars, because you can't get enough kicks out of walking fast.

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          • stephen bahr
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            Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

            ahhh edit button is gone, what happened there?
            yay for double IT
            is snet next weekend or this coming one?
            Cars, because you can't get enough kicks out of walking fast.

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            • Graham
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              Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

              next weekend the 18th,

              the edit button goes away after 10 mins, then you have to ask a mod nicely to edit your post, so ask nicely son!
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              • stephen bahr
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                Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                the edit button is never there in your thread father, only in dave's and even then the school blocked the "saving your edit" page
                how're you anyway?
                Cars, because you can't get enough kicks out of walking fast.

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                • Graham
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                  Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                  stop cluttering up my thread!
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                  • Graham
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                    Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                    i think theres a strainge irony that im next out in a weeks time at snetterton which has the fastest straight of any uk circuit and i've taken the diff out to fit a LOWER ratio to it,

                    it part of on going development for next year really, its a intermarque race, no points at stake really, well none worth worrying about, im 2nd in class cant get beaten and cant get 1st, so its an ideal time to see if i can manage snets long straight on a low diff, if i can then no messing around changing ratios next year

                    unless of course i change the engine spec which shifts the power band down again

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                    • Graham
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                      Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                      also part of next years development im looking at alternators again, i will have to run one, ive never had nuch luck with them on ANY version of m10 engien they all seem to pack up, i guess thers a certain frequency of vibration the engine makes they dont like

                      a bespoke motorsport unit is expensive, it did occur to me i have a spare alternator for my bike which i already know had a built in reg



                      its driven straight of a gear incoroprated in a crank web, but im sure i could modify it to take a belt, so i took the pulley off and chucked up up in the lathe

                      bearing in mind it runs about 3 times crank speed in the bike, i was suprise to see at only 1200 rpm it was charging, but i actually tested it at 2000rpm




                      checking out the workshop manual for my bike i found its simple to wire, one wire straight to the battery another to an ignition live, no charge light function, but im not bothered about that



                      it doesnt put out a huge ampreage, after a couple of mins running it was only putting out 1A, so i started loading it up with headlamp bulbs one 55w bulb and we had


                      so i kept adding bulbs, by the time i got to 4 bulbs the ammeter was showing 20A, and the lathe noticably slowed when i connected them, moving the ammeter showed practically nothing was actually going into the battery, but the alternator was supplying all the juice the bulbs needed.

                      conclusions, lights off it takes about 20-22 amps to keep my engine and its two fuel pumps and electric water pump running, so this alternator will allow me to comply with 2010 regulations, it wont waste any power by putting out more charge than needed, im not sure without more testing whether it would be powerfull enough for a road car, but in my case its enough, it will even keep the battery topped up , which im not actually bothered about as its no hassle to charge it between races anyway.

                      the fact it will charge at low revs is a good thing as i want to power it off the diff output shafts which obviously turn quite slowly only 800rpm at 100mph, rather than the engine, why? because the diff wont vibrate as much as an engine, i dont like anything which might interfear with the dry sump pump belt and i dont want to reengineer the crank pulleys, appartfrom which is if have to add weight to the car i want to add it at the rear not the front
                      Last edited by Graham; 11-10-2009, 11:16.
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                      • alladdin
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                        Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                        i like the logic

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                        • dangerousdave
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                          Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                          Will it not be better to run it off the prop like the audi's did in the 80's? With the irs the shafts are going to move up and down which will affect the belt unless you run it from the flanges on the diff (that is probably what you mean by output shaft thinking about it?!)?

                          Good idea though, no point complicating the engine when its all working perfectly and your adding an unknown into the equation!
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                          • Graham
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                            Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                            i'd run it off diff flanges as they dont move,

                            in way it would be better to run it off the prop, then you dont have to worry abut the reduction ratio of the diff, but i cant get a drive off the diff/prop connection unless you hang the alternator under it making it lowest part of the car by a long way, not sure theres space to run it at gearbox end, cant really run if off the middle somwhere cos its a split prop
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                            • david_white
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                              Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                              Isn't there space under the rear seat part of the floor, I know i in my sierra there is loads of room

                              Would you turn down an origional pulley and bolt or weld it to the driveshaft/prop?

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                              • Graham
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                                Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

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                                Isn't there space under the rear seat part of the floor, I know i in my sierra there is loads of room
                                theres stacks of space there, but i dont fancy welding anything to the prop, and i doubt a flat non ribbed belt just running round the prop itself would ever grip the prop enough to do anything
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