A race bmw 316, m10, s14, m20, turbo, na, its been the lot!

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  • stephen bahr
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    • Jul 2009
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    Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

    Originally posted by robt100
    Surely it wouldnt affect the airflow as much as that halfords sign you used!
    it's the atomisation of the fuel which is important airflow isn't the issue with current arrangement, where the fuel ends up due to being buffeted by air is. the halfords sign helps by making sure the fuel doesn't get buffected away from the trumpets, and still has the chance to atomise and blend.
    it doesn't need air going directly over the trumpets, due to the fact that they pull air in, and most of the places we go, there tends to be air in the vicinity of the engine bay
    Last edited by stephen bahr; 22-10-2009, 19:45. Reason: spelling
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    • team_zi
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      • Aug 2004
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      Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

      These Foggy Masks are meant to be very effective.

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      • stephen bahr
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        • Jul 2009
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        Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

        Originally posted by grahamb
        These Foggy Masks are meant to be very effective.
        http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&k...l_1f84g4459s_e
        i believe he already owns one, looks as old as the hills, but i'd guess age doesn't really effect how well they work providing they haven't crumbled into dust
        Cars, because you can't get enough kicks out of walking fast.

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        • Graham
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          Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

          Originally posted by stephen bahr
          i believe he already owns one, looks as old as the hills, but i'd guess age doesn't really effect how well they work providing they haven't crumbled into dust
          you should be more respectfull, its actually your mothers!


          although i guess after a more than a decade of not seeing you, me it or it she wont be bothered
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          • Graham
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            Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

            after a trip to the local tractor spares shop for a sherical bearing, i grabbed a few bit of time with the lathe and turned up a mini top mount,







            hopefully thats the end of my gear lever woo's as the levers now supported by the body work rather than by arose joint on the end of a rod attached to both the body and gearbox
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            • Retromotorsport
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              • Mar 2004
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              Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

              Where theres a will ..theres a way ...
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              • dsm2002
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                • Dec 2008
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                Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                Originally posted by graham bahr
                after a trip to the local tractor spares shop for a sherical bearing, ... <snip> ... hopefully thats the end of my gear lever woo's as the levers now supported by the body work rather than by arose joint on the end of a rod attached to both the body and gearbox
                Graham, I have been lurking here for some time admiring your tenacity and ingenuity. This is a interesting solution to the shifter mounting. I know with some of the body mounted shifters with standard engine and gearbox mounts, there is a risk of missed shifts. I cannot recall what engine and gearbox mounts you are using.

                A question, how do you locate the shifter in the spherical bearing to stop it moving up and down?

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                • Graham
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                  Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                  the engine mounts are heavy duty RS2000 and gearbox mounts are bmw 635, so its all pretty ridgid, the bearing is located with step at the bottom and on top a wire circlip from an old piston,
                  Last edited by Graham; 28-10-2009, 17:08.
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                  • mike105e
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                    • Aug 2006
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                    Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                    very impressed with your skill and ability mate. this thread is inspirational!
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                    • david_white
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                      Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                      Just wanted to say congratulations on a great DMN season Graham, you have not only built a strong and reliable car but it has also been bloody quick.
                      I think you suprised a few people and to put the pressure on Richard Brent at times this year speaks volumes

                      Have to say though that when I was behind you on the grid your car looked like an old pickup truck after you had removed the back and side windows

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                      • rusty
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                        • Apr 2007
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                        Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                        noticed you had taken out all rear windows, is that allowed after the car had been scrutineered with windows?

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                        • Graham
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                          Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                          Originally posted by rusty
                          noticed you had taken out all rear windows, is that allowed after the car had been scrutineered with windows?
                          i did indeed speak with no less than 4 scruitieers who just happened to be together in the hospitality suite that barc se had hired and they all unnamiuosly agreed that on safety grounds they could see no issues it was preferable to trying to drive a car with a badly fogged screen and glasses.

                          had i removed the front screen or door glasses that would of been an issue
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                          • rusty
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                            • Apr 2007
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                            Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                            oh right, yeah can see that would make sense

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                            • Graham
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                              Re: A racing bmw 316, 240bhp Atmo M10

                              so the report,

                              prior to practise it had been raining and it was still spitting as we collected before going out on track, arguably it wasnt really wet enough for full wets, but it really wasnt dry enough for slicks, i like most of the field opted for the safe option of wets, it guarenteed a reasonable lap time without the danger of chucking the car at the armaco,

                              immediatley out on track the one thing that impressed me was the gearchange, it was awesome, even when new the race linkage was nothing like as short a throw or precise, it was now a pleassure to make what was the boxes worst change the diagonal across the gate 4th to 3rd shift

                              i deliberatly pushed hardish from the moment go, finding on only my second lap i could take clearways flat, which was fortunate, as on my 5 lap which would of only been 4th flying lap the session was redflagged with a car stuck in the gravel trap, it was so stuck the remainder of the session was cancelled, those that had gone for slicks, which would of been the right option seeing as the rain stayed away, were in deep trouble the session wasnt long enough for there tyres to come to life and quite a few of the class leader were at the back end of the grid for race one as a result, whereas i was 11th overall and second in class to a bmw mini, which i wasnt worried about as i was sure i had plenty of more speed to come.

                              talking of comming i have to go time for work!!!! more later
                              Last edited by Graham; 03-11-2009, 13:52.
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                              • Graham
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                                so race one,

                                it was dry i lined up 11th on the grid, feeling good, i had a mathamatical chance of taking 2nd in class in the championship basically i had to win the class and james lindridge with his xe powered astra had to come last, class front runner richard brent was near the back of the grid with james not much higher and there was a bmw mini in my class ahead of me, i was sure i could beat the mini and that richard would beat james, so all i had to do was get to the front of the class and keep richard behind me,

                                fortunately it was dry and reasonably warm so my nearly worn out tyres should come to life, i gave the car plenty of stick on the green flag lap and it felt good, off the start i pretty much held position through a very crowded first couple of turns, richard brent had made a blistering start and from what i understand drove round no end of cars at druids, richard later commented i was driving "very racey" as unbe known to me by the second lap he had made up about 15 places and was behind me, i was so racey in fact i was a bit hot into paddock and went a bit wide on exit, that was all richard needed he got the inside line into druids, never mind i knew he wasnt going to get away, i stuck on his tail, and good a good drive out of graham hill, good enough that down cooper straight i pulled to richards left to pass him, going into surtees i was ahead, i was aware also that we 3 cars side by side into the corner, i had the inside line and was most ahead, so i thought the deed was done, but it wasnt richards front wheel tangled with my rear which span me out onto the grass, i have to add that i know in no way did richard intend to take me out, i my slicks really struggled to get me off the grass all the car wanted to do was donut, eventually i got back on circuit, in last but one place, richard hadnt faired any better the contact tore out a valve and punctured he limped back to the pits , back on track clearly my car wasnt happy, it was handling badly and the steering wheel was way off center, but i pressed on, not for long though, coming round clearways my heart sank to see dave white almost stationary on circuit and a fiesta somersulting through the air,

                                after several laps of safety car we were off again at race pace, i picked of steve nobles xe powered nova and erics ht powered fiesta, but didnt really push the car just didnt handle properly anymore.

                                back in the paddock the dammage soon became apparent, the coming together with richard had bent a trailing arm, i had gained about 4 degrees extra neg camber and what looked like an inch of toe out in the o/s/r wheel,

                                i have to say i was gutted about the contact and had the raging hump for most of the rest of the weekend, not so much because of the 2nd in class going out the window but because i felt i could of had a race long battle with richard, i wouldnt of felt so bad had the cars handling not suffered as i would of still had a good race with the rest of the field and with grim handling it didnt bode well for race two, time and time again it went through my mind, why the hell didnt richard back off, he would of had plenty of chances to come back at me, richard did say later i rather suprised him with my speed, and i dare say in the cold light of day he too probably now wishes he'd let the corner go, but ultimatley it has to go down to being a racing incident.
                                Last edited by Graham; 03-11-2009, 13:31.
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